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2009-01-22

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Over the past few months, I've been using an iPod touch (2nd gen) as a replacement for my previous PDA, a Palm TX. It has been a generally positive transition, though there are things the TX can do that the iPod can't or that worked better on the TX.

I've been using it both long enough and intensely enough to get past the initial adjustment period; I've stopped trying to hit buttons that don't exist, and operations like "turning it on" (which is really just unlocking the screen) are now second nature.

I'd been using some kind of Palm OS PDA since the 1999-vintage Palm V (which replaced an HP 200LX). I ran through a series of Palm OS units until the TX, which is the last Palm OS PDA (and most likely the last PDA of any sort) that Palm will make. I never went for a Palm OS phone, because I don't like having everything tied in to one device (and often one network); the same thing has kept me away from the iPhone. (If they start selling unlocked ones in the US, I'll reconsider. No, third party unlocks don't count.)

A comparison of various aspects of the TX and the iPod touch:

Calendar: The Palm's Datebook application wins this, hands down. Entering a new event is simple and direct (click on a blank line, enter a title, then possibly adjust the start and end times; it'll get the default alarm), where on the iPod touch it takes multiple sub-screens (hit the "+" button, then click on the Title/Location, enter it, hit Save, click on the Starts/Ends button, spin the wheels to set date and time, hit Save, click on Alert, choose from the minimal selection of possible alert times). There's also no option to set alarms to repeat (on the Palm I used "every minute for 10 minutes") or to snooze them when they go off.

This is the biggest weakness of the iPod touch, and presumably also of the iPhone. Most of my events are added on the PDA rather than on the desktop; entry has to get easier than this.

Contacts: The iPod takes this one. The quick-access "initial letters" scrollbar-ish thing? Beautiful. Skimming through records? Simple. The one thing lacking is that the list view doesn't show the primary phone number, like the TX did. (OTOH, with iSync I just sync the important numbers to my cell anyway.)

Mail: I dumped the built-in Versamail on the TX and moved to SnapperMail, so I'll compare that to the iPod's Mail app.

SnapperMail: it's designed for disconnected access, so I can hit "Send/Receive" and it'll pull down all the defined mailboxes for later perusal with just one click. It doesn't do much with HTML email. I have to specify which mailboxes it's syncing.

iPod Mail: it seems faster. It doesn't require paying extra for the "Enterprise" version of a third-party app. It doesn't automatically pull mail from anything but INBOX unless I enter that mailbox while I have connectivity, though it has a nice "Updated" line at the bottom of the screen so I can see how fresh the mailbox is. While it sees all my mailboxes, it doesn't have any way to collapse folders for easier navigation. It renders HTML mail nicely, but a bit too nicely since it will pull down remote images without asking if you open a message. It doesn't handle event invitations in email.

It took some getting used to, but the iPod takes this one. A few improvements and it wouldn't even be a contest.

Syncing (basic apps): This too goes to the iPod. Missing Sync worked for my Palm sync needs, but costs extra (and required a for-pay update to get Leopard compatibility, with a price justified by new features that were almost all Treo-only) and required both plugging in the TX and hitting the HotSync button. The iPod syncs when plugged in, automatically. If I set up MobileMe, it'd even sync wirelessly wherever I have connectivity. (I'm still debating that one; I like the idea, but I also like knowing that my stuff is definitely synced once I've plugged in the cable rather than depending on someone else's cloud to do it.)

Syncing (third-party apps): This includes loading files for e-book readers and the like. For the Palm, I either stuck them in an install directory and HotSynced, or put them on an SD card; with the iPod, each app usually has some kind of over-the-air loading using Bonjour or the ability to pull files off the Web directly. Call this a slight advantage for the Palm, since I can batch stuff up and then sync it all at once with that approach.

Media: I never even bothered with music or video on the TX, since I had an iPod for that. The storage capacity and more media-centric software makes this an easy call: iPod wins.

Book reading: A win for the iPod. The screen is much nicer. The extra built-in storage means I don't have to either swap books off of an SD card or risk wearing out the contacts by leaving the card in all the time. Since most of my books are in eReader format, I have access to even the DRMed ones without any trouble. Navigating the book list is far better in the iPhone OS version of eReader. There are minor disadvantages: it can be harder to hit small links (for footnotes) due to the lack of a stylus, and there are fewer font choices in the iPhone OS version of eReader. The only significant disadvantage is the lack of a Mobipocket DRM-capable reader which may be Amazon trying to kill a Kindle competitor. This xkcd comic applies just as well to e-books as it does to music; thank you, Baen, for not DRMing your books.

Games: iPod all the way; though a few of my old Palm OS favorites aren't available yet, the new games more than make up for it. Great free games include a Rogue port and a reimplementation of the Atari 2600 Adventure; for a few bucks, Galcon, Frenzic, and Mondo Solitaire (regular or the Top 5 version, depending on which games you play) are all recommended.

Web access: Mobile Safari takes Blazer out back and beats it to death without even breaking a sweat. The only thing Blazer does even slightly better is in saving pages for later offline reference, and there are other ways to do that on the iPod.

Reference/Utility: The various Palm apps for airline and MBTA schedules were nice to have, and I hope at least the former will start showing up on the iPhone sooner or later. (The MBTA app is no longer being updated as the vendor went poof, so I don't expect a port; it'd be nice if the T started supporting GTFS though.) There isn't a port of Metro yet, either. On the other hand: Wikipanion rocks, Air Sharing lets me put a lot of reference material in PDF form on the iPod, CSV Touch does the same for tabular data, and Splash ID has replaced the old Strip application as a password vault.

Connectivity/Net-based apps: The big thing the iPod needs is the ability to tether over Bluetooth, or for there to be a legitimately-unlocked GSM iPhone I can buy to use on T-Mobile US without having to go to Hong Kong or Taiwan or something. Apart from that, the iPod has NetNewsWire; great apps for things like Amazon, LJ, BoardGameGeek, and Facebook; fun toys like Urbanspoon and Google Earth; a Maps app that would be a whole lot nicer if it hadn't been nerfed compared to the iPhone version; YouTube support; and last but definitely not least, the amazingly cool Remote.

Conclusion: All in all, the iPod touch is a respectable PDA replacement for the Palm TX. There are still areas that could stand improvement (Calendar, and to a lesser extent Mail, are the big culprits) and the major missing feature of Bluetooth support, but those are outweighed by all kinds of other advantages. It also lets me leave the iPod classic at home (except for long trips), since I can use the iPod touch for day-to-day listening.

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From:siderea
Date:2009-01-23 05:37 (UTC) [T+00:39:21]
2009-01-23 00:37 (siderea's time)
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Hmm! Thanks for the report. Since I'm a Bluetooth tethering Palm TX user, I'll probably try to hold out for an iTouch which has BT. :(
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-23 05:56 (UTC) [T+00:57:40]
2009-01-23 00:56 (ckd's time)
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That was my original inclination, but I didn't want to be stuck making a precipitous move when (as I saw it) Palm finally got put on the cart. Even with the announcement of the Palm Pre, I'm not terribly hopeful for their future right now, and it's quite clear that the Palm WebOS is not going to be powering any non-phone devices any time soon (if ever).

Before the TX I had a Tungsten C, which was Wi-Fi only; I still did pretty well with connectivity since I had it at home, at work, and around the MIT campus. I miss tethering, but I've managed to live without it for a while, and there are more hotspots around now than there were in my Tungsten C days, so it's more likely that I can get online when I want to.
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From:tober
Date:2009-01-23 05:53 (UTC) [T+00:54:44]
2009-01-23 00:53 (tober's time)
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One thing that you didn't address that I'm sort of surprised you didn't is how you feel about handwriting recognition with a stylus versus virtual keyboard on ipod touch as text input method. No strong preference either way?

Also, with respect to unlocked (not requiring any third party hacks) GSM phone incorporating this sort of functionality... have you considered the HTC/T-Mobile G1? As with everything, the carrier-unlocked version costs more but it's fully unlocked, doesn't involve any hacks, and Android is bona fide open with respect to app development and running apps, whereas the iphone is not so much (you need to be a registered iphone developer to be able to load apps not from the app store and even then it's a pain in the neck).
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-23 06:06 (UTC) [T+01:08:22]
2009-01-23 01:06 (ckd's time)
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I didn't use Graffiti 2 on the TX (I was too used to Graffiti 1 from my Vx, and never adjusted to the frakked-up monstrosity forced on Palm by the Xerox suit); instead I used myKbd with the Metropolis layout, which was stylus-optimized. I got pretty good at it after a while.

The autocorrecting virtual keyboard on the iPod works pretty well, but I dislike having to switch modes to get characters that were on the Metropolis standard layout (like numbers).

I considered the G1, but it only syncs with Google services for things like calendar. I trust Google more than Apple to maintain a reliable cloud service, but I distrust becoming dependent on a "free" service. It also feels a lot more like a 1.0 product; since I didn't buy an iPhone OS unit until I got one that shipped with 2.1.1, that meant other people could get the arrow marks in their backs.

There were certainly open Palm OS dev kits, but I never wound up writing anything for it anyway. The gatekeeper factor is there, but hasn't been much of an issue for me in actual use (since I never wanted "I Am Rich" or a fart-noise app).
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From:tober
Date:2009-01-23 06:55 (UTC) [T+01:56:53]
2009-01-23 01:55 (tober's time)
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I think your criticisms of the G1 are quite correct. It's much more hacker-friendly than the iphone though and I would myself buy one over an iphone for that reason alone but that's me. I currently own neither (nor do I own any modern phone/PDA or PDA). I am giving some thought to buying an ipod touch for the same reasons you have one and also because the ipod touch/iphone can be used as a controller for <shameless plug>Sonos ZonePlayers[1]</shameless plug>.

[1] I work for Sonos. Even if I do say so myself, our iphone controller app is really nice (I was not on the team that wrote it)... and it's free (though our ZonePlayers are, of course, not)
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-23 18:12 (UTC) [T+13:14:17]
2009-01-23 13:12 (ckd's time)
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I've heard really good reviews of the Sonos remote app. Since we have an AppleTV, I just use the Remote app to control either that or an iTunes streaming through it.
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From:pixelfish
Date:2009-01-23 05:59 (UTC) [T+01:00:54]
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Wait, there's Rogue for the iPod Touch???

(Like Rogue...that game that Nethack and its variants are like?)
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-23 06:09 (UTC) [T+01:11:24]
2009-01-23 01:09 (ckd's time)
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Yes, the dungeon exploration game. It's free, too. In landscape mode, you get the traditional character graphics; in portrait, graphical representations are used instead.

(The same programmer that ported it also wrote Mondo Solitaire.)
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From:kelmit
Date:2009-01-24 21:58 (UTC) [T+1d17:00:01]
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How similar is Rogue to Nethack?
I instantly downloaded the app when I read this, but I'm kind of a n00b to Nethack, so it's hard for me to tell difference. Will Nethack devotees accept it?
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-25 23:34 (UTC) [T+2d18:35:47]
2009-01-25 18:34 (ckd's time)
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IIRC, Hack was inspired by Rogue, and Nethack was what Hack developed into; people who really like the bits that were added later will probably be less excited about Rogue.
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From:bohemiancoast
Date:2009-01-23 07:46 (UTC) [T+02:48:26]
2009-01-23 07:46 (bohemiancoast's time)
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I use an iPhone rather than an iPod touch. The iPod touch is much cheaper and significantly smaller than the iPhone; it has a markedly less good screen. Several of the drawbacks you identify are mitigated in the iPhone edition (most notably, I hold my calendar on Google, synced to iCal, and by far the majority of my appointments are entered through the web interface to Google calendar).

I too used to use Palm PDAs; my last one was the amazing Sony Clie TH-55 and when I went to phone-based PDA I missed it terribly until I got an iPhone.
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-23 18:11 (UTC) [T+13:13:07]
2009-01-23 13:11 (ckd's time)
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I haven't done a side-by-side, but I haven't noticed any difference between the screen on my iPod and that on iPhones I've poked at. (It's a second gen iPod touch, which might matter.) Not only is it significantly cheaper and smaller, in the US it has the additional very important feature of staying away from AT&T.

I should try the me.com web interface on the iPod, which could be better than the built-in one as long as I have usable connectivity.
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From:mabfan
Date:2009-01-23 12:59 (UTC) [T+08:01:11]
2009-01-23 07:59 (mabfan's time)
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I find the Palm calendar so indispensable that I still use my Tungsten E for the calendar, the memos, and a shopping list. But pretty much everything else goes through my iPhone.
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-23 18:16 (UTC) [T+13:17:32]
2009-01-23 13:16 (ckd's time)
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If I'd replaced my phone with an iPhone, I might still have kept carrying the TX (though probably not). I'm not inclined to carry a phone, an iPod, and the TX if I can help it. (I did when I was still using the iPod classic, but that doesn't mean I liked it.)
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From:mabfan
Date:2009-01-23 18:17 (UTC) [T+13:19:05]
2009-01-23 13:17 (mabfan's time)
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Yeah, I've started leaving my iPod at home, and downloading onto the iPhone the music I tend to listen to the most. (The iPhone doesn't have as much memory for music as my iPod does, which means I had to pare down what I kept with me during the day.)
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From:kelmit
Date:2009-01-24 21:53 (UTC) [T+1d16:54:59]

apps for ipod touch

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for todo/shopping lists I really love RememberTheMilk
for shopping list I really love Grocery iQ
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From:splash_the_cat
Date:2009-01-23 15:54 (UTC) [T+10:55:53]
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There are minor disadvantages: it can be harder to hit small links (for footnotes) due to the lack of a stylus,

I did pick up for about 8-10 bucks an iTouch capable stylus for in part this reason.
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-23 18:07 (UTC) [T+13:08:51]
2009-01-23 13:07 (ckd's time)
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Two questions: how do you like it, and where did you get it?
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From:splash_the_cat
Date:2009-01-23 18:28 (UTC) [T+13:30:23]
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I like it very much. Its tip isn't sensitive enough to use it to scroll, but it works well for hitting links or typing or repetitive single-point touch for games like Bejeweled.

And this is the one I picked up:
http://www.pcmicrostore.com/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:10508192

It's a nice weight, compact, and clips like a pen to the side of the case I use.
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From:kelmit
Date:2009-01-24 21:50 (UTC) [T+1d16:51:50]
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Thanks for the review!

If you ever find a better calendar app (or any cool apps, really) would love to hear. Closest thing I've found is Saisuke, but it only has unidirectional (and short-term) sync from Google Calendar, as far as I understand.

I just switched from a Palm, so learning this thing.

I never used bluetooth on it, though-- how does that work?
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-25 23:35 (UTC) [T+2d18:37:28]
2009-01-25 18:35 (ckd's time)
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The iPhone does Bluetooth, but only for headsets as far as I know. The iPod touch doesn't have Bluetooth. (One of the groups that does teardowns found a chip inside that's got Bluetooth capability, but that seems to be only being used for the Nike+iPod sensor connection and isn't supported by the OS for actual Bluetooth use.)
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From:kelmit
Date:2009-01-25 23:59 (UTC) [T+2d19:00:46]
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But how were you using the bluetooth on your Palm before?
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From:ckd
Date:2009-01-26 00:43 (UTC) [T+2d19:44:41]
2009-01-25 19:43 (ckd's time)
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The TX has Bluetooth, and my Sony Ericsson phone has Bluetooth. I have a data plan so I can use my phone for Internet access. With the TX, I could set it to use Bluetooth to connect through the phone to the Internet. (I can also do the same with my laptop, but that's a bit heavier. :-)
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From:smofbabe
Date:2009-02-18 04:14 (UTC) [T+3w4d23:15:54]
2009-02-18 15:14 (smofbabe's time)
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Nice thorough review! I too am a real Palm fan and had one starting with the Palm III. Because of a neck injury and my lack of a car, I could no longer carry both my Palm and a phone and have really missed the access. Just got an iPhone recently and have been having much the same excited reaction to having all my data with me as I had with my first Palm.

Regarding MBTA schedules, you can download the public transport trip planner HopStop (http://www.hopstop.com) for the iPhone, which includes maps and trip planners for the T.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:2010-02-01 06:16 (UTC) [T+53w3d01:17:59]

transferring from Palm T/X to ITouch 2009

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Thank you for the most helpful well written information. I have used Palms since 1997 and I am heavily invested in PCs, but just bought the ITouch and a MacBook Pro so that I might change over to the ITouch 2009 from my Palm T/X, as my T/xs fail, one by one. I realise that I am living on borrowed time, but I bought several T/xs online as my life/work, sadly, revolves around the calendar (with notes), contacts (with notes) and Memos to a lesser extent. I travel alot and currently sync a single Palm with my four desk & laptops. I was assured by the Apple person of a variety of points and I must sort out the reality very soon/now...I was told that I could a) transfer over all of my data under my same categories, changing and adding more when I needed to. b) enter data on the Itouch and/or any of the computers without difficulty if they are Macs (I would need to buy 4 replacements or Mac Minis, I believe). Further, I should be able to sync all with the ITouch and it will update like the Palm, or online without fail through Mobile Me, which is installed. c) I understand that the search facility now goes through the basic programs including the calendar, contacts and Memos as with Palm.
Now, having begun the move... I have also heard from PC-Palm advocates that this isn't the case. One cannot transfer over the calendar in its entirety and memos cannot be transferred. One cannot enter data on different computers or the ITouch and sync them; the date only goes one way and to one computer and other data will be written over... Finally, the Mac user now helping me is not a Palm person and we do not want to make a grave mistake with my data! We have not worked out the best way to transfer the records. I have read that there may be a way to use the Palm calender with the ITouch and Macs. Is this the case? I have been such a loyal Palm user and advocate alas. I would be most grateful for your help. I cannot afford to make a mistake with the data.
Apologies for the multiple questions, warmest regards and many, many thanks for your advice as soon as it is convenient. ML Borthwick
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From:ckd
Date:2010-02-02 05:33 (UTC) [T+53w4d00:34:44]
2010-02-02 00:33 (ckd's time)

Re: transferring from Palm T/X to ITouch 2009

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Mark/Space's "Missing Sync for Palm OS" is probably your best solution for moving the Palm data into the Apple applications (Address Book, iCal, etc). Once everything is in those, syncing to MobileMe and/or the iPod touch is trivial.

Memos are a weak point, unfortunately; Mark/Space may have suggestions on how to export the Palm memos into a form that could be loaded into the iPod's Notes application.

I believe that MobileMe can be set up to sync with PCs by following these directions, though I have not tried this myself.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:2010-02-02 07:35 (UTC) [T+53w4d02:36:52]

Re: transferring from Palm T/X to ITouch 2009

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Thank you for responding. I am most grateful for your help. We are desperate to get this right and it is being worked on as we speak. My Mac person will share any successes he has. He is very cleaver, but not familiar with the Palm and he is in NC, I am in CA, leaving at the end of the week for London. I have Address- 3332 records, under 14 categories, Date book- 9637 records under 1 category, (Calendar says 9750 records), Memos- 681 records. We have just tried to enter the Date book data and some of it seems to have moved over but without the times as on the Palm and I am not sure about the notes attached. Please dont hesitate to respond. I will email your comments to the brain trying to sort this. Warm regards, ML Borthwick
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:2010-02-03 06:04 (UTC) [T+53w5d01:06:05]

Re: transferring from Palm T/X to ITouch 2009

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Thank you for responding. I am most grateful for your help. We are desperate to get this right and it is being worked on as we speak. My Mac person will share any successes he has. He is very clever, but not familiar with the Palm and he is in NC, I am in CA, leaving at the end of the week for London. I have Address- 3332 records, under 14 categories, Date book- 9637 records under 1 category, (Calendar says 9750 records), Memos- 681 records. We have just tried to enter the Date book data and some of it seems to have moved over but without the times as on the Palm and I am not sure about the notes attached. Please dont hesitate to respond. I will email your comments to the brain trying to sort this. Warm regards, ML Borthwick
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From:ckd
Date:2010-02-03 15:34 (UTC) [T+53w5d10:36:17]
2010-02-03 10:34 (ckd's time)

Re: transferring from Palm T/X to ITouch 2009

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I strongly suggest contacting Mark/Space and purchasing their Missing Sync for Palm OS; that should allow you to transfer the records successfully into the Mac OS X address and calendar databases.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:2010-02-04 17:10 (UTC) [T+53w6d12:11:41]

setting up ITouch 2009 to sync with 3 computers as Palm did

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Thank you so much! Yes, Mark/space and Missing Sync seem to be working. We are just checking it. (The Mac seems to want to edit some of the contacts and we are not yet sure why.)
I need to prepare to use the Itouch. I need to add data from the handheld device and computers and have them sync. As stated, i am worried about using the remote updating and I cannot afford to have date overwritten. The 2009 model of the ITouch is suppose to have sorted the problem of overwriting. Is this true? Do you know if I will only be able to sync with my newMacBook Pro or will I be able to have the data on other computers? How do I hand sync as opposed to sync through Itunes? What is the difference?
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From:ckd
Date:2010-02-05 02:06 (UTC) [T+53w6d21:07:54]
2010-02-04 21:06 (ckd's time)

Re: setting up ITouch 2009 to sync with 3 computers as Palm did

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I have had good success using MobileMe to keep laptop, desktop, and iPhone all in sync for calendar and address book data. As I said previously I have not tried MobileMe sync on Windows.

As far as I know, your sync options are going to be "sync through iTunes" or "sync through MobileMe"; if you are trying to sync multiple computers, MobileMe is probably the only suitable option. (I haven't tried any of the tools to sync with Google Calendar or similar, though.)
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:2010-02-06 02:00 (UTC) [T+54w0d21:02:20]

Re: setting up ITouch 2009 to sync with 3 computers as Palm did

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Again, a huge thank you. We seem to be progressing against the clock. the calendar and contacts info seem to be in the Mac. The memos are now under the correct catagories in excel, still on the PC as we try to work out how to transfer them to the mac. You said that it was difficult. please let us know of any suggestions you have or we will let you know.
Do you know how we should make sure that only the date we want to transfer to the ITouch, goes to the itouch and how to sync when we want so that things do not get over written. my expert is trying to read through the some?150 pages of the manual. Again a huge thank you and if you are ever in London, dinner is on me!! Molly
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From:ckd
Date:2010-02-07 00:58 (UTC) [T+54w1d19:59:34]
2010-02-06 19:58 (ckd's time)

Re: setting up ITouch 2009 to sync with 3 computers as Palm did

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First, make sure everything is synced to the Mac.

Second, use the Address Book and iCal "Export to Archive" commands to make backups of the data before trying to sync with the iPod and/or MobileMe.

Third: If you're using MobileMe, set the MobileMe preferences under System Preferences to sync the contact and calendar data, then set up the iPod to sync with MobileMe once that's done.

If you aren't using MobileMe, set iTunes up to sync those directly to the iPod, but note that this will require syncing the iPod only with one computer.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:2010-03-17 15:56 (UTC) [T+59w5d10:58:14]

Calendar

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ML Borthwick here in England. We are progressing well, but the calendar programme is a real problem.
Have you found a solution yet for the calendar problem you identifie below? I will not be able to enter data on the Itouch calendar. It is too long winded to be useful.

We have just used note spark for note spark and this seems fine.
Many thanks, ML Borthwick

Calendar: The Palm's Datebook application wins this, hands down. Entering a new event is simple and direct (click on a blank line, enter a title,
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From:ckd
Date:2010-03-19 02:22 (UTC) [T+59w6d21:23:45]
2010-03-18 21:22 (ckd's time)

Re: Calendar

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There's still no great answer for input on the iPod; most of the time I enter events on my computer.
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:2010-03-19 10:33 (UTC) [T+60w0d05:34:43]

Re: Calendar and basic package functionality, ?palm developer for the ITouch?

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Is Apple's strategy to make profit and increase users by encouraging a host of cheap, catchy applications? Therefore they do not make contacts, Calendar and notes functional? If so, I am panicking a bit as I had great hope that I would be able to move to the ITouch and Mac Pro I bought. Surely there must be an application which one can buy, which allows you to tap on a calendar date and enter details and save it, or press the time of a day and enter the data, with a separate screen for more data, or produce lists of usable information from categories. It is all so basic. Do you know of a 'apps producer' familiar with the functionality of the Palm so that I might look at their packages? Again, most grateful for your help. Warm regards from Kent, the garden of jolly England, ML Borthwick
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From:ckd
Date:2010-03-26 02:20 (UTC) [T+60w6d21:22:26]
2010-03-25 21:20 (ckd's time)

Re: Calendar and basic package functionality, ?palm developer for the ITouch?

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I am not familiar with any replacement calendar apps, and I'm not sure third-party apps can access the calendar database anyway. If I learn of any, I'll certainly let you know.
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Date:2010-11-15 19:48 (UTC) [T+94w3d14:50:19]

Re: transferring from Palm T/X to ITouch 2009

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Just wondering how your efforts to move your Palm data to an i-phone went (or, are they still ongoing). I have the same issue. Have been using Palm ever since Palm III. Now on TX, with tons of data in memos, and calendar with notes attached to specific calendar entries.

Any do's or don'ts would be appreciated.
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Date:2010-10-25 02:06 (UTC) [T+91w2d21:07:48]
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Hi Shark Bytes,
I too have an iPod Touch rather than an iPhone (don't want to have to pay $30/month for data, plus I have another phone I like). I used to have a Treo 700P, which I loved, especially the DateBook 6 calendar program I bought. I can't believe how terrible the Calendar program on the Touch/iPhone is. Even the ones I've purchased, such as CalenGoo and Google Calendar Client, can hold a candle to the DateBook one. Being able to sync it with my Mac was a major plus for me. I find it incredible that iCal is so lame and that Apple can't improve the lame Calendar app they have on their iPhones and Touch. Do you know of a program that offers what the Palm or DateBook offered? I'd really appreciate any information you could offer on this. Thanks, Ken
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Date:2010-10-25 03:58 (UTC) [T+91w2d23:00:03]
2010-10-24 22:58 (ckd's time)
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Sadly, I have still not found a calendar replacement worthy of the name. I keep hoping that someone at Apple will convince Steve to put engineering effort into the calendar apps....
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Date:2011-01-16 19:27 (UTC) [T+103w2d14:28:31]
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ML Borthwick here again. I am now trying again to move over to another device and replace the last Palm I have. Can you tell me if the ITouch, IPad or other devices have improved and might provide my best option? I did find a very smart person who wrote programs for the Palm, who emailed that he was writing a datebook for the android. I want to try to contact him. Do you think that is the best option or if I am prepared to carry an ipad, might that or a new Touch work? The problem with the touch I bought last year was that it wasn't powerful enough. I need to sort this during the first week of February. I would very much appreciate your help. Molly
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